Who is God and Whose God is He?
The Traditional interpretation of the Christian God from the Bible does not need to be rejected any more than any other interpretation or belief. What may need to be revised is conduct of believers. There is a global search for the one true God, and it is true that a hard relativistic view cannot stand up to its own critique. But what I wonder is whether there is need for a God at all.
The two viable concepts of God mentioned thoroughly in, “God Under Fire”, are the biblical interpretations of God through open theism and “mainstream” Christianity. My challenge to open theists is that their theory makes God temporal, measurable, and within the grasp of science to behold. If so, where is the proof of the existence of God? How tall is He? Is it a “He” at all? To mainstream Christianity I challenge that the open theists have that the Bible speaks of a “human” or “changing” God. They must admit the fallibility of the Bible as it describes God, or at least that it is errant to the point that it can only describe man’s perception of God. The third, but less common view that I find viable is any perception of God solely through personal revelation. This theory has the major challenge that it must be an un-doubtable experience of sensation or illumination of further knowledge or understanding, without being simply an idea, burning inside, or a feeling. It must be clear. However, this fails to do any good for anyone other than he who perceives it; the experience is, or should be, only accessible and sufficient for he who “experiences God” directly. One cannot sufficiently communicate something “miraculous” to another (meaning supernatural and outside of nature, immeasurable and outside of science, illogical, irrational, or inconceivable with regards to the world as we know it – could anything else be miraculous?).
In “re-creating God,” open theists use the biblical God to promote their view of the “one true God” by reinterpreting scripture (The Bible) in a way more fitting to their view of God, much like the young earth creationists try to back Intelligent Design to support their specific version of God. The open theists’ God may fit better, but it is a different God, and their God was believed in as he is now, quite possibly before the books of the Bible were written. However, “the church” and theologians changed all that, and possibly the “who” of God in the process (once they got their hands on the text). I struggle with open theism from the perspective that if you are going to try to promote a view of God different from the mainstream, it should be offered as another viewpoint, not taking pieces here and there from the Bible, or even adopting the Bible as a whole. It is a powerful viewpoint, but one which creates its own faults in giving credence to the “text” which is a product of the “early Christian” and Catholic churches. Following, or allowing for the text to be true, or contain many truths –while it might provide a path to further one’s new “religion”- it ultimately becomes the largest reason for incompatibility and can easily be shunned as an abomination.
This is my view on the LDS church. With half a sentence they hope to free themselves from incompatibility with historic Christianity: “in so far as it [the Bible] is correctly translated.” Yet, while it brings many believers to its church through claiming the Bible and its message as their own, its ultimate downfall lies in the discrepancies between the description of God and the textual messages. (Although, left alone, I fear for the Mormons that, without the bible, there would be little historic, archeological, or geographic support for the events which occur in their texts.)
Once the Bible is called fallible and errant, it should be treated as such, not deified. I personally could only see open theism as valid on its own, as it seems to fly in the face of Biblical points on predestination and the description of God’s power and control. (Though I agree that the historic Christian theology does not fit piece by piece with the text either.) I believe there are varying levels of open theism, and I could see one as simply seeing mainstream interpretations as wrong, yet still holding to the text themselves. However, this refers to too much on free will, God’s power and control, and even his commands to inflict harm on one another as seen in Numbers 31:17 where he commands the killing of “little ones,” and 2 Kings 2:23-25 where it is implied that God sent two bears to maul 42 youths (see the added appendix for God’s other misdeeds). I think open theism’s main reason for existing is that people want another way to explain and permit free will, removing responsibility from an Omni benevolent God for that which we perceive as evil; the result is humanizing the creator in an attempt to feel more loved by that which we might not see, feel, hear, or know.
I certainly agree that God, “as we know him” must be reinvented, as he has historically been re-invented time and time again. The mainstream evangelical God, or even the mainstream “SLC Mormon” God of my generation are not compatible with the Biblical God, nor is the current Mormon God compatible with the God of Joseph Smith Jr..
Later Reflections
Talbot started poorly with a rather lame introduction (45-46) on how one asks questions, and how he comes by the answers to them. In fact, he beings quoting the Bible to back up his claims even before acknowledging the Bible as an adequate source for answering questions about the nature of God. This shows that either he made a mistake in his argument about how one can answer such questions, or he is not working from an argument, but an assumption about the Bible and God’s Nature.
I agree with Talbot that if there is a God, who has qualities such that man cannot bridge the gap of knowledge, then knowing God requires such a being to bridge that gap for us (45). I also agree with him that radical relativism and religious pluralism are mistaken viewpoints that cannot stand up to their own beliefs (as previously stated) (46-48).
Talbot points out how Christian theologians have “always” viewed scripture as the authority on Christian faith. However, while this might be true of theologians, it is obviously not true of Christians. Before the bile was compiled, the Jewish scriptures were held as authoritative, but many who believe in Christ (Jesus of Nazareth being God, the messiah) rejected the Jewish scriptures, or rejected the “authority” in them for the authority of Christ himself, even if accepting Him as the fulfillment of their scriptures. As far as the bible being established as the “scriptures” nobody held it as authoritative on Christianity between the “time of Christ” and the canonization of the bible (54).
I understand that if our only means to know Christ is through the bible, then to be Christian is to believe in the Christ of the bible. However, much of the bible’s stories have nothing or little to do with the life, and teachings of Christ. A controversial film known as “The Last Temptation of Christ” asked the question whether the “message” of Jesus was actually Jesus’ own. Could it have been Paul’s message? Paul certainly did a lot of writing in the New Testament preaching on how to be and how to conduct a church. From the tyranny of “the church(es)” it is easy to see why some would want to reject the authority of the Bible for simply its message of Christ (salvation), or life and teachings of Christ (how to live and how not to live). After all, is a Christian not defined as a “follower of Christ”? We need not pay the bible the respect due to a savior and/or God. Thus, to be any form of sect of Christian, one must believe in common grounds about Christ, not necessarily the authority of the bible. On the other hand, it is conceivable that one ought to believe in the bible’s historic authenticity if not just its message. Otherwise, why believe in Chris at all? Why not believe in majestic unicorns instead? For this reason of common belief in historic authenticity about Christ, I can see a possible line being drawn as to retaining the term Christian. So, I can definitely see Kleiner’s, and most mainstream Christian’s view that Mormons are not Christians. It is true that their Christ led a different, more Columbus like life, and stands in a much different light than that of the God he is purported to be in the bible. Thus, he should not have even been called Christ if he was going to be a different character with different attributes. Perhaps the character should have in fact been a majestic unicorn. I hate to sound like all the Christian “nay-sayers”, but if historical authenticity is important to believing in the person of Christ, The Book of Mormon has a lot to learn about authenticity.
Talbot goes on to say that the Bible is true because it says God says it is (55). This reminds me of the Aesop’s tale of the scorpion riding the back of some natural ecological animal opponent to save themselves from drowning. It ends with the scorpion stinging the creature that carried him, and they both drowned for it. The scorpion declared that it was in his nature. I for one believe that it is in the nature of those who promise to not be lying without first being openly doubted, that they probably are lying. It seems that the only people who do not openly see this biblical claim as ridiculous believe this way due to the taboo of blasphemy in light of peer pressure. Open theists and everyone else are right to question anything purported by man to be God’s doing, or “God inspired.” Not questioning is being conquered without a fight, and without even knowing who is beating you. If it is God, then great, but if you give in without knowing…
Pennock’s statement is right on the mark, that [if] God transmitted the bible through imperfect beings, we cannot know if God would do so in such a way as to “perfectly” survive those mediums (62). This is so even if the resultant text claims that it has happened in such a perfect way. The only resulting argument, “would God do that?” is inductive, guessing at His character. Pennock hits his target again pointing out how historically, “the unity of scriptures was assumed” (64).
Johnson basically reiterates most of what Sanders spoke of early on in “The God Who Risks” as far as the limits of communication, reasoning, and perception; both point out how these are stimulating ideas to freshman philosophers, but should not be feared for any practical purposes (though they should be recognized) (72-103).
On page 124 I didn’t understand the point of what Augustine of Hippo said about God and time, but since it quoted Psalms, I’ll assume it was just being poetic. Anselm points out a theory that if God is in all time, then he can be properly divided amongst every measured increment of time; such as, today we are experiencing .000001 over several trillionths of God, or some outrageous fraction. But, I think it could be seen in a light that because God is eternal, thus in all time, then his is 100 percent of God 100 percent of all time increments. This is kind of obscure. I enjoy the mental masturbation of discussing eternity, the infinite, and the non-temporal, but it is all meaningless. Not only can I not measure or experience eternity and its like, but I cannot fathom it. I can never finish the experience, for even when I’m “finished,” my experiencing of the infinite will not have attained the goal of completion…but perhaps the fun is in the journey, not in the destination.
Helm lists some strong quotes toward the argument of exhaustive knowledge and “planning” (Psalms 139:16) (1Chron. 28:9) (Heb. 4:13) (127). Of course, there may be a sort of double speak in the bible, not to be taken literally. Or perhaps the bible is simply men trying to conceive of God through their writing, doing the best they can. Maybe that is the nature of God. Craig also provides a wealth of biblical sources for divine foreknowledge followed by an unnecessary course in the logic of truth claims about future events.
Geivett gets into omnipotence, Omni benevolence, and the clash with the existence of evil (162-170). He compares them directly with theories of open theism. I was always taught that the way to understand Omni benevolence is not through our lenses of goodness, but as that defined by God, either by what he says is good, or by what he does as good. The existence of evil is due to God’s allowance, yet he is not to be blamed for it. First of all, there is none who can judge Him. Secondly, the existence of evil is what allows for free will and the ability to not be machines (a gift). Third is that man chose evil and so God granted man with the evil consequences of evil. Fourth is that while god is responsible for evil, he is not to be blamed for it because he has declared his plan to conquer evil (accepting responsibility) and saving us from it. (Who can blame someone who gave us free will and salvation?) The other discrepancy from the historic Christianity I was taught and open theism, as I have now learned it, is omniscience and exhaustive control versus free will and the idea of risk taking. Both of these I have thoroughly covered throughout this semester.
Afterword
Before last semester’s philosophy panel discussion on open theism, I had never heard of it, though I had heard of theistic evolution and process theology. While I disagree with either point of view, I now see them both just as plausible as one another. Though open theism better covers some questions as to difficult themes, I believe closed theism and open theism have many congruencies with the biblical nature of God that the other does not. Closed theists believe in an exhaustively powerful, all knowing God. Open theists believe in a God wholly apart from evil, who shows emotions like love and anger, changes in his relationship with man, and gives man a full and accurate libertarian free will (not just compatible with his plan).
NOTE: It has been a fun semester. Sorry that my papers lost some steam toward the end of the semester. I had too much on my plate to cover the topics as thoroughly as I had hoped. Remember to check How Many Has God Killed? I added for fun!